Exploring Indian Sexuality
I recently read Sudhir Kakar's Intimate Relations: Exploring Indian Sexuality. I found the book to be an excellent and insightful analysis of sexuality in modern India. I enjoyed Kakar's analysis of folk tales, cinema, and his stories of ordinary men and women in India.
One of the most depressing and insightful parts of the book is when the author examines Indian proverbs in regards to women. Misogyny is the common thread:
In most regions of the country, male folk wisdom offers overt reasons for man's perennial war with woman. It agrees in portraying the female sex as lacking both sexual morality and intelligence. Punjabis and Gujaratis are of one mind that, "The intelligence of a woman is in her heels" (Strini akkal edi mā). Tamils maintain that, "No matter how educated a woman is, her intelligence is always of the lowest order," and Malayalis warn that "One who heeds the advice of a woman will be reduced to beggary" (Penachollu Kalkkunnavanu peruvali). Folk sayings in the northern languages, however, place singularly greater emphasis on the employment of force and physical chastisement to correct perceived female shortcomings. "The places of a horse and a woman is under the thighs" (Ghoda aur aurat rān telē) we hear in Hindi. And in Gujarati, "Barley and millet improve by addition of salt, women through a beating by a pestle" (Usī jawār bājrī musē nār pādhrī): "Better to keep the race of women under the heel of a shoe" (Rāndni jāt khāsdane talē rākhelij bhalī); (Mūrkh nāri ne nagārā kutyani kāmnā). The proverbs in the South Indian languages, on the other hand, convey more a man's sense of helplessness and resignation in the face of general female cussedness and constant provocation. "Wind can be held in a bag, but not the tongue of a shrew," is common to both Kannada and Telugu. "Neither the husband nor the brother-in-law can control a pugnacious woman" goes another Telugu saying, while yet another admits even a king's helplessness in the face of female disputatiousness. (12)
I've often wondered what culturally unites Indians. When compared with smaller, monocultural, and monolingual countries, India does not seem very united. But one thing that is shared across much of the subcontinent is the idea that men and women are fully different and often irreconcilable. Kakar writes:
The image of the wife as the needed mother and the feared whore is even today reflected in the proverbs of all the major Indian languages, a testimony to the cultural unity of the subcontinent in the way fundamental human relationships – between spouses, siblings and generations – are viewed. (19)
The author ends the book with a provocative and sobering conclusion:
Although oppressed in many societies, women still cannot be likened to any other exploited group, such as the blacks in South Africa or the "untouchable" castes in India. Blacks and whites, low and high castes do not have to deal with the conscious and unconscious exigencies of a mutual desire, which is both a promise of self-enhancement, even transcendence, and a threat of disintegration to the self. (142)
In regards to the South Africa comment: Note that the book was written before the disintegration of the apartheid regime.
Kakar's conclusion is apt. Millions of Indians believe that men and women are incompatible, irreconcilable, and immutably different. Yet Indian culture pushes the idea that the route to a successful life is to have a marriage with a partner of the opposite sex and have children.
One of the most depressing and insightful parts of the book is when the author examines Indian proverbs in regards to women. Misogyny is the common thread:
In most regions of the country, male folk wisdom offers overt reasons for man's perennial war with woman. It agrees in portraying the female sex as lacking both sexual morality and intelligence. Punjabis and Gujaratis are of one mind that, "The intelligence of a woman is in her heels" (Strini akkal edi mā). Tamils maintain that, "No matter how educated a woman is, her intelligence is always of the lowest order," and Malayalis warn that "One who heeds the advice of a woman will be reduced to beggary" (Penachollu Kalkkunnavanu peruvali). Folk sayings in the northern languages, however, place singularly greater emphasis on the employment of force and physical chastisement to correct perceived female shortcomings. "The places of a horse and a woman is under the thighs" (Ghoda aur aurat rān telē) we hear in Hindi. And in Gujarati, "Barley and millet improve by addition of salt, women through a beating by a pestle" (Usī jawār bājrī musē nār pādhrī): "Better to keep the race of women under the heel of a shoe" (Rāndni jāt khāsdane talē rākhelij bhalī); (Mūrkh nāri ne nagārā kutyani kāmnā). The proverbs in the South Indian languages, on the other hand, convey more a man's sense of helplessness and resignation in the face of general female cussedness and constant provocation. "Wind can be held in a bag, but not the tongue of a shrew," is common to both Kannada and Telugu. "Neither the husband nor the brother-in-law can control a pugnacious woman" goes another Telugu saying, while yet another admits even a king's helplessness in the face of female disputatiousness. (12)
I've often wondered what culturally unites Indians. When compared with smaller, monocultural, and monolingual countries, India does not seem very united. But one thing that is shared across much of the subcontinent is the idea that men and women are fully different and often irreconcilable. Kakar writes:
The image of the wife as the needed mother and the feared whore is even today reflected in the proverbs of all the major Indian languages, a testimony to the cultural unity of the subcontinent in the way fundamental human relationships – between spouses, siblings and generations – are viewed. (19)
The author ends the book with a provocative and sobering conclusion:
Although oppressed in many societies, women still cannot be likened to any other exploited group, such as the blacks in South Africa or the "untouchable" castes in India. Blacks and whites, low and high castes do not have to deal with the conscious and unconscious exigencies of a mutual desire, which is both a promise of self-enhancement, even transcendence, and a threat of disintegration to the self. (142)
In regards to the South Africa comment: Note that the book was written before the disintegration of the apartheid regime.
Kakar's conclusion is apt. Millions of Indians believe that men and women are incompatible, irreconcilable, and immutably different. Yet Indian culture pushes the idea that the route to a successful life is to have a marriage with a partner of the opposite sex and have children.



18 Comments:
Great post. Very sobering, and heartbreaking - but at least someone acknowledges the deep-rooted misogyny that is passed on like a precious heirloom.
A very interesting way to also understand attitudes towards women in popular culture (As opposed to running back to the Vedas and distorting lines and thereby telling people that the Vedas always held women as equals because of line 153 and 189 - And therefore "Indian" culture has never been misogynistic etc.) is to read folktales.
AK Ramanujam's A Flowering Tree and Folktales from India do an excellent job of categorizing folktales - and they point out patterns in women's roles in the stories.
The pattern of putting down a woman's intelligence, or to give her a status only when she achieves a marital association is repetetive. However, folktales also have excellent innuendoes for sexuality - and in some stories I see a glimmer of hope for women... On that note, I noticed that Scribble Pad had a similar post on worship of the feminine in Indian tradition.
But in the end - a woman in India becomes respectable only by association with a man - either her husband or her brother. Even now the ones who claim that India loves her women will launch into claims of Bharat Mata, or how the Indian Mother is revered - as though Woman and Mother are synonymous. :(
Excellent post! Thanks for drawing my attention to this book! This are serious issues that deserve more attention and thought than what they get.
Whether it is folklore, proverbs, slag or even representations in popular culture, women are always at the recieving end. Sad but true!
This is truly depressing stuff. And its pervasive in every strata of the society. Where there is the male, there is the fragile male ego.
What depresses me even more is that the conditioning has been so effective, and the mindwashing is so good, that women themselves begin to want it the way it is (of course, not all of them). A few examples being:
Women don't want their partners to be shorter than them, or lesser educated, or earning less, or less powerful in general. Maybe its just that they just don't want to get into a fragile-male-ego-situation.
But this goes deeper. I will look for this book.
Dont you think that such chauvinist attitude can be found across almost all major cultures the world over?
Whats so different about India here?
Awesome post. And as was stated by others, sobering.
Tejaswi, you said it best about the "fragile male ego", and indeed it seems that a lot of misogny comes from that. The need for control, or fear of letting go control (of women) also seems to be linked to this. Most heartbreaking is your sad but true observation that this is a part of women as well.
Vikrum, thanks for the links and references to other books, and for tackling such a difficult topic.
- Nisha
Hi Neha,
Thanks for the detailed comment. I agree with you about folk tales. In fact, the Kakar book specifically examines folktales. This is very important in the Indian context, in which storytelling plays an extremely important role.
I hope to check out the books you mentioned. And yes, many Indian folk tales have excellent sexual innuendos. Kakar examines one in which an Indian snake is the secret and potent lover of a woman who has a predictable and lame relationship with her husband. By the way, have you seen the movie Paheli?
I very much agree with your comment about the adoration of maternity. All over India, there is this idea that the purpose of a woman is to 1. Get married and 2. Bear children. A few months ago, someone from the RSS (maybe it was the VHP - Uma, if you're reading this maybe you can shed some light) said something to the effect of "Muslims are reproducing at high rates. I call on Hindu women to do their duty and reproduce many Hindu children to counter the Muslim reproduction."
This is repulsive for many reasons, but in the spirit of this post, the statement goes with the idea that the purpose of the woman is a child maker.
Rita,
Thanks for the comment.
Tejaswi,
You are entirely correct. Many women believe in this conditioning, and this is a big part of the problem.
As far as women fearing a "fragile male ego," I think it goes deeper than this. The idea that men are a, b, and c, and women are x, y, and z, is shared by millions of men and women all over India. Since most Indians are raised by their mothers (not their fathers), millions of Indian mothers are raising men to have the qualities they despise in men.
Traveller,
There is no country that I know of in which women are fully liberated. Sexism and chauvinism exist all over the world.
But in India it is exceptionally bad. For example, North America and Western Europe have female-male sex ratios of 105/100. India's is abysmally low at 97/100 – that is, 97 women alive for every 100 men alive. See this page for more information if you like.
India is a country in which some states (e.g. Punjab, Haryana) have child sex ratios that are amongst the worst in the world. This is due to the abortion of female children and female infanticide.
While misogyny exists all over the world, India is one country in which millions of girls have been killed simply for being girls.
In order to fight the misogyny in India, we have to understand the roots of it, be it economic, cultural, religious, or historical. That's why I wrote about culture/attitudes in the article.
Nisha,
Always great to hear from you. Glad you enjoyed the post.
Vikrum: Yup, I did see Paheli. I thought it was incredible movie taking such a bold view on sexual relationships, even if under the garb of emotional security.
What struck me is that her disconnect from her "real" husband was obviously physical. She did not enter a sexual relationship with him. And a ghost (who also assumes the form of an animal) decides to essentially - establish a sexual and emotional relationship with her. In terms of semiotics - the movie had so many layers! And no moral returns in the end - her choice of a different partner does not mean she has to suffer. Hhmm..
Folktales use other semiotics like colour (dark as virile), tree (flower) and so many others - Such rich subtexts!
This whole going forth and reproducing thing has me so disturbed. And it's not just religious pretenders. It's colleagues - who curiously ask you when you plan to pop one out. And you have to give them a time period - they demand to know why. They exchange notes on what food makes the child a boy. Ugh!
Here are more of the same, but from across the world. Interesting :)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/fow/fow03.htm
Men can be such bitches. (Will some dog-lover explain why bitches get such a raw deal?)
Excellent post! Changing attitude towards women in India seems like an impossible dream.
This book is on my list now...
Neha,
You're right that in India everything is everyone's business. This is the case in so-called "liberated" Bombay. It's certainly a big contrast from the West.
Actually, after watching Paheli I had a conversation with two friends, both women. One is older and married with children. The other one is younger and in the process of getting married (arranged). The older woman said that the lesson of Paheli was that, "All girls want their husband to be like the ghost, but you have to settle for the real man, who will not be as good as the ghost." She clarified, "You want it all - chemistry, charm, good looks - but if he is a good provider, that is all that matters." The message is that the man is good for nothing but providing money and the woman is good only for producing children. Ehh.
Sloganmurugan,
I haven't had time to check out your link but will try to do so one of these days. Thanks for commenting.
...,
I agree with you that there is a tremendous amount of misogyny in India. But that does not mean that we should not fight to make India a better place for women. Small change at the micro level is better than no change at all.
One of my earliest posts was one ranting about how in India - people treat women like they treat their cows - both are said to be culturally revered but are ultimately desicrated and defiled. But guess I made a mistake... in a sobering India today writeup - its seems a childbride was sold for less than the price of a cow... Makes my heart break..
Vikrum,
with ref to my earlier comment let me clarify.
I believe that the seriousness with which misogynistic sayings are taken is a better measure of the level of misogyny in a culture than the mere existence of such sayings.
As social attitudes change for the better for women, these sayings will be taken less and less seriously.
The mere existence of such folk sayings tells us nothing.
Nancy,
Please leave a link to your post that compares women to cows. I'd like to read it.
Traveller,
I generally agree with your point that the seriousness with which people take the folk sayings is more important than the existence of the sayings. After all, most religious texts are misogynistic from a modern-day perspective, but that does not mean that all religious people hate women.
With that said, I do think there is value in the content of the folk sayings. I'll explain. Two points:
1. Storytelling is extremely important in the Indian context. Kakar's book makes the point that India is a country in which storytelling, folk tales, fables, and epics are a huge part of the nation's culture(s). He states:
It is generally true of Indian literature, across the different regional languages, that the fictional characters, in their various struggles, fantasies, unusual fates, hopes, and fears, seek to represent their societies in miniature.(4)
If you go into a "vernacular" bookstore, you will notice that there are tons of folk tales and folk storybooks. It is a hugely popular genre, which lends creedence to the idea that we should care about what the messages inside the folk sayings.
2. The mere existence of the folk sayings does tell us something about sexism in India. All over India there is sexism; that much is clear. But it takes different forms. In Punjab and Haryana, for example, the sex ratios are appalling. Violence towards women in these states takes many forms, including the abortion of female fetusus (only because they are female), and female infanticide.
In Kerala, for example, the sex ratio is normal at 104 women for every 100 men. Kerala, as far as I know, does not have a problem of female infanticide/abortion. Yet that does not mean that sexism does not exist in Kerala.
Not surprisingly, the folk sayings of Punjab are different than those of Kerala. As the long quote in the article makes clear, the northern folk sayings explicitly state that women have to be controlled with violence and force. But the southern folk sayings refer to "a man's sense of helplessness and resignation in the face of general female cussedness and constant provocation."
Brilliant post. Thanks for bringing this book to my notice.
Vikrum,
Just wanted to add that I appreciate the unique perspective you bring to my India experience through your blog.
Thanks for the comments. They are much appreciated
This is a very thought-provoking piece. I found the following quote particularly interesting:
Although oppressed in many societies, women still cannot be likened to any other exploited group, such as the blacks in South Africa or the "untouchable" castes in India. Blacks and whites, low and high castes do not have to deal with the conscious and unconscious exigencies of a mutual desire, which is both a promise of self-enhancement, even transcendence, and a threat of disintegration to the self. (142)
Another factor that makes sexism a complex issue to address is the fact that there are real biological differences between men and women (that arise from their different roles in the procreative process), while the biological differences between individuals of different races or castes are, for the most part, skin deep (i.e., comparatively trivial). Lots of food for thought here indeed.
Traveller,
Thanks for the compliment.
Nubian Nerd,
I agree that there are biological differences between men and women. But I also believe that many of the differences between the sexes are taught and are not biological. In any case, it's notoriously difficult to ascertain which of our differences are taught and which are biological.
At the end of the day, we are all human and that is the most important thing. Because of our shared humanity, the position of the sexes should be equal.
To traveller---
"Dont you think that such chauvinist attitude can be found across almost all major cultures the world over?
Whats so different about India here?"
I am an Indian living overseas in the US. And heres a simple answer to your question...
1, Here in the US, if I need to walk the grocery store to buy something. On the way, I dont have to put up with sex-starved losers who not only oogle like lunatics but make sexual comments, follow and harass me. I visited Delhi and that came as a shock to me. I was in a sari. Her in the US, I have only got looks, a smile or sometimes a man has tried to strike up a casual conversation with me. But when I am not interested, he takes the hint and doesnt pursue me anymore.
2, Rapes, abuse and harassment of women are not taken seriously as it should. If a guy sexually harassed a woman at work, the guy gets a bad reputation from both men and women and gets fired. In our wonderful country, the mentality is that, men are men and the woman is blamed or looked at for taking action against somebody who is violating her rights as a human.
And I have to say how courtship is viewed is another example of our messed up views on sexuality. In Bollywood and according to some guys in real life, think chasing and harassing a girl is courtship.
She is plainly an object who has to put up with the guys crap.
And yes, women are supposed to be on the passive receiving end. When I was getting proposals and I rejected someone, the groom & family are upset or dont take it well. It goes both ways, if guys can reject so can the girl.
3, Yes, there is sexism in the US too. But not as bad as back home.
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